Thread: Ableton

Originally Posted by champa

its not great for midi imo but for audio and mashing stuff up its second to non.

why is it not great for midi ??

i use Live Suite 8 for production using external midi devices or vsti's
it has full control of midi in all parameters the system preferences is easy to
set up and has a easy to use piano roll edit screen, pencil tool, quantize even groove templates

the routing of [input] & [output] devices is a piece of piss
setting up external midi devices or just using internal vsti's is a breeze

maybee its just me, its lacking in vst synths, and im not a massive fan of using midi for things other then pads and bass anyway (and often ill bounce those), so maybee its just the way i work thats not great...
i usually make a sound then bounce it, and stick it in sampler (yes sampler uses midi i know) and mess with it futher in there or leave it as audio and edit with effects etc..
what i mean is its audio capabilities far out weight its midi for the way i work.

its lacking in vst synths

Ableton Live is a Arranger / Linear sequencer

Vst & Vsti are 3rd party apps nothing to do with ableton live
your only limited to what you have installed.

i think you missed the point i was trying to make, i probibly didnt illustrate it too well , with reason for example, you get a ton of really powerfull soft synths with the program itself,

termanology isnt my strong point...

nar i haven't missed the point mate
and i mean no offense by it ...

Reason is a different ball game all together
not sure about reason these days but from what i remember
it was a groove production suite that didn't support VST & VSTi's
and had 2 or 3 soft synths build into the program.

Ableton doesn't have the synths that reason includes but you don't need
them as i said to you VSTi's are 3rd party nothing to do with the sequencer
if you want good synth sounds from software then you would simply
install the extra VSTi's example : Korg Legacy Collections, Native Instruments
FM8 et cetera et cetera.

ok yeah i get your point, no offence taken.
as i said, im not a big user of midi external or internal,and maybee didnt illustrate what i meant clearly.
what i meant by it was, as you say, ableton is a sequencer which doesnt include many soft synths, you use vsti instuments.
where as things like fruity and reason have massive amounts of soft synths and effects in the bundle.

i love ableton. took a weekend to clock how to warp tracks easy, and soon got quicker and quicker.

great for doing something really unique.

started messing around with a hip hop mix and decided to lay an acappella over a glitched beat i made and realised i could potential create a remix of a track within a mix.

so recently tried a short mix using segments and samples of Metalheadz classics ...

Fragments - Shards of Metal by syer on SoundCloud

now thinking of trying others, either by label or genre/year. purely for the fun of doing something new with the old.