Thread: Renoise - Quick Demo Vid

As I use Renoise for making tunes on, thought I'd upload a quick vid just showing how easy it is to use & how quick it is to do stuff:

http://www.zshare.net/video/61024062b155883b/

Sorry about the bad quality on that site - just download it & play it original size to make it properly readable.

I didn't do any commentry, but all I'm basically doing on that vid is loading a drum sample, chopping it up, laying the parts into the sequencer, playing with an echo effect & then adding a simple riff to it on another track.
Just to show how quick it is to do basic stuff.

The vid was good mate sitll looked very complicated tho just a matter of gettin used to with it much like everything else. But sure i'll try it anyway is there a demo version i can use or do you have to buy it?

There is a demo version on www.renoise.com - u can do everything apart from exporting the final wav file (but if u like the prog, I'm sure we can sort u out ).

And yep - looks complicated, but if you've ever used octamed, it's very similar. Plus a lot less complicated to use than the other progs out there.

Sweet man i'll have a shot of the demo and see hows i like it i'll be wrecking ur head coming to you with all my questions on how to do stuff

Looks good, will be having a butchers at this. BB (or do I now have to salute you and address you as sir? ), does the demo come with EVERYTHING, except the final export file?

No need for sir.... 'Master' will be just fine

Yep, the demo (as far as I'm aware) has everything except for the export to Wav function.

Just download, install, go to the prefs (in one of the menus) & setup the soundcard & options, point it to your vst directorys.
Reload it if u do the vst thing & then they'll appear in the effects bit (bottom left) & the instruments area (mid bottom rightish).

Don't let all the weird zeros on the screen worry u - u can edit them manually, but there's usually no need. Just placing your notes in there should fill out the main areas.
You can get more involved in things on there, but for the bare basics & to have a quick mess about like I did in the demo above, it should only take u a few mins.

Just make sure u download that vid I put on there as it's too blury viewing it on that page. It's a fair bit clearer when played properly at full screen.

Nice one mate, I'm downloading the video now to have a look.

You know you've created a monster now though don't you?!

I've another query I'm afraid...!

Does the integrated sampler allow you to filter the samples, so that you can just take the vocals off a track for example?

You can tell I know feck all can't you?!

Originally Posted by payney

Nice one mate, I'm downloading the video now to have a look.

You know you've created a monster now though don't you?!

I've another query I'm afraid...!

Does the integrated sampler allow you to filter the samples, so that you can just take the vocals off a track for example?

You can tell I know feck all can't you?!

If more oldskoolish tunes get made then that's all good

As for ripping vox - if u mean taking vocals from a tune with other stuff going on in the background, then I'm afraid no such program exists - as it's more or less impossible (with the odd special exception depending on how the tune has been recorded - but that's getting technical now).
You need an Acapella of the tune for that - which is basically a version of the tune with just the vocals on their own. There's loads out there - some are clean, some have a bit of percussion on them - but they don't exist for everything I'm afraid.

Thanks again for that.

I've just looked into Ace The Space – 9 is a classic, first track on Cox's set at Tribal Gathering.
I didn't realise you could get Accepellas on hip hop tracks as well.
I just remember them from my early days of Italian piano house and the like.

Soooo...is there anything you can do if you want to sample something but there's loads of other stuff going on in the sample you don't want?
There's really no way to filter out things you don't want in the sample?

Originally Posted by payney

Soooo...is there anything you can do if you want to sample something but there's loads of other stuff going on in the sample you don't want?
There's really no way to filter out things you don't want in the sample?

Depends on what it is. I've filtered out very low string sounds - you have to analyse that section (by itself) & remove the findings from the vocal bit with the string on - as some frequencies also occupy the same 'space' they also get removed from the vocal, so can end up slightly tinny.
If it's more stuff over the top, then you will get more 'removal' from the vocal as well, so usually become unusable.
(This is all done in a seperate program such as adobe audition 3).

Another possible way (although never had any success myself) is to have 2 perfect wav copies of a tune - 1 normal, 1 instrumental.
As long as they have been recorded exactly the same, u can in theory invert the instrumental over the top of the normal mix & therefore cancel out all the sound except the vocal.
As I've said - this has never worked for me.

Best to find an acapella really if you can.

Yeah it looks that way, I guess it's a case of trying to see what you can do to filter stuff out, and seeing if the end product sounds like you'd hoped.

I've found this, which can remove vocals or instruments, depending on whether they're center-panned or not:

http://renegademinds.com/Products/Guita ... fault.aspx

I've also found some open-source alternatives to Audition which I might give a go (it looks a little pricey!):

http://www.osalt.com/audition

If I get Renoise instead of Reason, and maybe Audacity instead of Audition, I'll be saving a pretty penny!

Top stuff anyway mate, thanks again for all the advice!

Okay....maybe one more thing!!

Is there a particular midi keyboard that you'd recommend for performance and price?

Originally Posted by payney

Yeah it looks that way, I guess it's a case of trying to see what you can do to filter stuff out, and seeing if the end product sounds like you'd hoped.

I've found this, which can remove vocals or instruments, depending on whether they're center-panned or not:

http://renegademinds.com/Products/Guita ... fault.aspx

I've also found some open-source alternatives to Audition which I might give a go (it looks a little pricey!):

http://www.osalt.com/audition

If I get Renoise instead of Reason, and maybe Audacity instead of Audition, I'll be saving a pretty penny!

Top stuff anyway mate, thanks again for all the advice!

Okay....maybe one more thing!!

Is there a particular midi keyboard that you'd recommend for performance and price?

The 'vocal remover' method u mentioned is basically the 'invert' method - and only works if it's been recorded that way (and to be honest, these days it doesn't really happen).
As for the cost of these products, u do realise u can get them on certain sites for .... nothing don't u?
Search for them on sites such as forumw.ca / projectw.org etc

As for a midi keyboard - for all my current tunes, I used the pc keyboard. I have now bought an m-audio Oxygen midi keyboard, but I've not really had a chance to use it apart from testing it out.

Originally Posted by billybob2007

The 'vocal remover' method u mentioned is basically the 'invert' method - and only works if it's been recorded that way (and to be honest, these days it doesn't really happen).

Aaaah fair enough then mate.

I know what you're saying about getting stuff for free.
I've downloaded music/sample torrents and not had any problems, but a few people had warned me about dodgy cracked software and so that's put me off a bit in the past. I'll check out those sites for sure though.

I wasn't sure how easy it would be to make tunes without using a keyboard, so was assuming that one would be needed.
I'm more than happy to give it a go without one if it's easy enough!

PS Just had a look at those sites, can only say thanks again bud!

Originally Posted by payney

Originally Posted by billybob2007

The 'vocal remover' method u mentioned is basically the 'invert' method - and only works if it's been recorded that way (and to be honest, these days it doesn't really happen).

Aaaah fair enough then mate.

I know what you're saying about getting stuff for free.
I've downloaded music/sample torrents and not had any problems, but a few people had warned me about dodgy cracked software and so that's put me off a bit in the past. I'll check out those sites for sure though.

I wasn't sure how easy it would be to make tunes without using a keyboard, so was assuming that one would be needed.
I'm more than happy to give it a go without one if it's easy enough!

PS Just had a look at those sites, can only say thanks again bud!

Yep, some downloads do have dodgy progs within them - plus the other problem is that virus scanners usually detect Keygen progs (which give u the serial numbers) as dodgy - so u don't always know if it's safe or not.
Just scan anything u get to be sure & if in doubt, delete.
I've never used a midi keyboard until I got one the other week, but as I've said - not used it in any tunes yet. Mainly bought it to do strings easier (as you can only press 3 keys at once on the pc keyboard) & for the twiddly bits which u can assign to filters etc, which can be recorded in real time if u wish.

All good mate!

I've done some scouting around and it looks like I can get going without having to dish out any money (always a good thing!).

Thanks for all the help.

I've been looking round for Acepellas and have found some decent sites/torrents to grab them.

Only thing is, they're 128kbs mp3s.

Can these be used on tracks? I'm thinking more about using quick samples in tunes, not laying over whole verses if you see what I mean!

If that quality isn't good enough, does that mean I'll have to fork out for vinyl acepellas?!

What ones are u after?

And sometimes 128kbs quality is alright for those - depends on how they're going to be used.

That's good to know, thanks again!

At the moment I'm looking for old rap/hip-hop/dance acepellas like Public Enemy, De La Soul, Candi Staton etc.

Do you know of any collections online that aren't torrents?

I have all those sorts of things - a couple of bits have been uploaded into the VIP production area.
At the mo, I've just put together a new pc (as the old one has been playing up) - the samples are all on the old pc & at the mo, I've only got 1 graphics card between them - so as u can guess, it's a bit of a pain keep going between them as I have to unwire the card each time.
I do need to go back on the old pc though to get some more stuff, but probably won't be for a couple of days. Once I do though, I can gather some of the samples from there & put some more up on here for people to grab

Nice one mate, that would be awesome!

I'll get my VIP membership sorted then!

^{if you could put this back up I'd be immensely grateful. I've downloaded the demo version of this but I haven't the foggiest how to use it; how to get my samples up!!! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks..}

Might actually redo the vid & no idea where the original file has gone.

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yes mate....would appreciate it. As mentioned, I've had a little play with it; getting a bit more used to it but still a long way off to understanding it in its full glory.....glory glory!

I may have to disguise my voice on it though

Not forgotten, but had no time - plus won't get any this week.
Will see what I can do next weekend if I get a chance.

Originally Posted by RenegadeGenius

Not forgotten, but had no time - plus won't get any this week.
Will see what I can do next weekend if I get a chance.

It's okay mate...I've sort of put it on the backburner...it's obviously not something I'm going to master overnight. So when you have time. I'll check it out eventually, because I'm keen to get to grips. Time is always precious and I also have other things I have to do. Fortunately I have some holiday time in Sept (the whole of the month off!!) yesssss! So I'll definitely be looking at gearing myself towards putting some stuff together...I need way more samples, hooks, FX etc....I have pittance really in essence. So I have lots to be getting on with.

Cheers Billybob