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Just downloaded it so Ill give it a try later
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Just downloaded it so Ill give it a try later
faithful serato user here... even rock it internal most the time....
just dl'd 2.0 and im kinda sad.... cant trust it
been having tiny little audio glitches and its making me feel mad uncomfortable about using it out live.... really really wanna rock these effects, and the bpm to a decimal is nice... but these usb dropout like glitches are worrying me...
gonna have to keep testing it i guess, but its making me nervous for playing out, which is often enough i may have to go back to 1.9.2 this weekend...
no problems here with 2.0
but i don't use the fx and have them set to [disabled]
i don't like the fx because there are post fader effects so dont use them
i know when you install 2.0 you have to recalibrate your settings and check that you have
it set to the correct latency
as a Mac user i have it set to 0 with no problems or qualms
but aren't sure about windows as i don't use it.
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Had a few of those glitches myself when I first installed 2.0 but I recalibrated and it seems to be running ok now.Originally Posted by human
faithful serato user here... even rock it internal most the time....
just dl'd 2.0 and im kinda sad.... cant trust it
been having tiny little audio glitches and its making me feel mad uncomfortable about using it out live.... really really wanna rock these effects, and the bpm to a decimal is nice... but these usb dropout like glitches are worrying me...
gonna have to keep testing it i guess, but its making me nervous for playing out, which is often enough i may have to go back to 1.9.2 this weekend...
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no problems here with 2.0
but i don't use the fx and have them set to [disabled]
i don't like the fx because there are post fader effects so dont use them[/quote]
me 2. thought the fx were a bit crappy tbh. on the lookout for an an external fx box like the oto biscuit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Bs9jDw3Mw) so i can add fx to not just serato. i still play more real vinyl than than digital anyway.
again same here. i have noticed no noticable change in performance. yay mac
so 9 months on from using serato and i'm currently considering selling it.
why, when i was so taken with it initially?
well the reason is 2 fold - feel and quality.
feel - whilst serato allows playback of digital files in the same way as vinyl it's just not the same. having dj'd for years with vinyl i love it's tactile nature and the way i can read a bit of vinyl from the grooves without needing to hear it, sure you can get the same info from waveform images but it takes a lot of the spontaneity out of it. same for the fact that part of the joy of vinyl is flipping thru crates and grabbing stuff at random, something i dont think serato will ever be able to match.
quality - since getting serato i've downloaded lots of 320 rips and found that the variation in quality is pretty much intolerable. the amount of bad rips available (here and elsewhere) makes most of them pointless. having recently done a major cataloging of the tunes in my serato library i found that a good 75% of em were useless when played at anything more than ipod/car stereo volume. play an mp3 on a big rig and it just generally sounds crap when compared with actual vinyl imo. with the files already in mp3 format it makes fixing them in a sample editor a waste of time as the re-encoding just degrades the quality even further. so i'm left with a choice - decent quality from vinyl, or hit and miss quality from other people's rips. i could just rip my full vinyl collection to wav and use those in serato...but what would be the point seeing as though i have the originals anyway?!
anyhoo, not 100% made up my mind as to whether my sl1 setup will be hitting ebay soon or not....but it's a very high possibility currently.
Quite a change of heart then mate. But being the pure vinyl only person that you are I can see your points about it.
Times are changing though, and while I think we are all in agreement that there is just nothing like playing real vinyl on decks...the sound, the feel, the personal touch with it, sadly it's getting rare that you will see any DJ's carrying their trusty record boxes with them to clubs/events. I can actually see some point in the future, where all clubs/events don't have any decks on show, instead it will be CD Decks ect.
well the change of heart has continued along it's course and i'm about to sell my serato setup after much thinking on the matter.
have to say that of late i've been firing up serato, staring at my list of files wondering what to play, then i pick out a bit of real vinyl from my crates and off i go.
dont get me wrong, serato is awesome and were i just getting into djing now it'd be my only choice...but i'm coming to terms with the fact that i just really love my vinyl and that nothing will ever come close to that digging thru the crates and playing random stuff of pukka vinyl.
i'll drop a link up once i've listed it all on fleabay.
if anyone is looking to pickup SL1 and wants to make me an offer send me a pm...
includes serato sl1 hardware, all cables, a psu (so you dont need to have your puter permanently connected, running serato, so you can play regular vinyl), 3 sets of timecode vinyl and the control cds if cdjs is your thang.
I love Serato, absolutely love it but the one thing it makes me regret is not having a vinyl collection (or starting to collect vinyl years ago)
After getting my decks it was either a choice of trying to build a vinyl collection or get Serato. I went for Searto at that time but now I'm building a half decent vinyl collection. I really do wish I'd started sooner though.
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Rane Serato Scratch Live SL1 on eBay (end time 20-Jan-11 21:36:16 GMT)
in perfect nick with an extra set of vinyls and an external power supply so you can play vinyl thru the interface without having to have a computer attached.
now go by it
Bargain.Rane Serato Scratch Live SL1 on eBay (end time 20-Jan-11 21:36:16 GMT)
in perfect nick with an extra set of vinyls and an external power supply so you can play vinyl thru the interface without having to have a computer attached.
now go by it
I just hope you don't regret it too much fella.
You could always buy it again if you do though so all is not lost I guess
hehe yeah i could...but i wont
well what you've said here is exactly how I feel as well. I've never used Serato, but I have got Traktor Scratch Pro and use it all the time to play while streaming on the internet. mp3's @ 192kbs are fine for playing online, but to take them to a club and try to play them is nothing short of suicide. I've just read through this thread and someone (can't remember who) said they got Serato and ripped all of their vinyl to mp3 then sold the vinyl. I must admit I cringed when I read that. Even 320 mp3's are not the same quality as vinyl, they sound good, but just not exactly the same. To part with my vinyl I would have to rip it all as wav or flac, and back it up on like 10 different drives, lol. The main advantage Traktor has over Serato for me is the ability to play flac files, I'm sure Serato will incorporate this in the future but as far as I know it doesn't at the moment. The other main point you mentioned was the digging through crates for vinyl, somehow looking through a folder just doesn't have the same feeling or spontaneity to it for some reason, and I can always find a vinyl I know I have about 50 times faster than an mp3 I know I have.
And yeah, some of the rips out there on the net are appalling quality, I often think to myself, why the fuck did this person decide to rip a tune @ 128kbs, it's a waste of their time ripping it, and a waste of my time downloading it. It's not all about bit rate though, if someone is clipping the ass off something while ripping it, they can save it as anything they want and it will still sound shit. Downloaded rips are ok for playing online, but to play in a club it has to be vinyl, CD's or bought and paid for digital downloads.
you sire, are speaking my languageif someone is clipping the ass off something while ripping it, they can save it as anything they want and it will still sound shit.
Been monitoring this thread lately and it's wicked - and I think fair to say the first digital vs vinyl debate thread on the net that I actually find interesting.
The Serato blew me away at when I first saw it and it's, like, I dunno, the only word I can think of is "handy". Cool too, though.
I noticed Curly's vinyl collection building up nicely and the last few times I've been round we've had a comparison session on vinyl, wavs and 320s - there is a difference and the vinyl will always, always sound richer and warmer.
Sitting on the fence slightly as China said that digital is indeed the way forward, but I also miss going through my vinyl.
Surprised you've sold yours Haze, did you hate it that much or is it down to you making money off something you think you'll eventually stop using?
it's not that i hate it at all. rather the opposite in fact as i think it's a really great platform for not just regular djing but mainly for the remix on the fly kind of thing.
having seen dj food and dk use it last year it opened my eyes to the possibilities with the platform but i'm seriously hampered by the fact that my life is too busy to spend every night and weekend in the studio using it in the way that i want.
my limited turntable time has really forced the decision tbh. if i didn't have kids and a wife i'd be bang on it every day, really i would. sadly, though i love them dearly, my family has killed my djing time...and what little time i do get i want to just turn everything on and get rockin' immediately. i regularly close my eyes and grab tunes from the crates randomly...something that just doesnt feel the same with a mouse and a menu!
i shall be continuing to rip my vinyl collection so this is not me closing the door on the serato concept...when i have the studio finally all sorted (and the kids are a bit older) i'll be able to sit down and look at it again. it's not as if i'm giving up the djing, i tried that in 2004 and it didn;t work. if you cut me in half i have DJ written thru me to the core like a stick of rock!
in all honesty if i were to buy serato right now for the first time i would buy a rane mixer with it built in (this one : TTM 57SL for Serato Scratch Live ) mainly because it gives you the ability to control serato from the mixer itself so negating the need to keep touching the laptop which is a pain in the arse imo. in fact it's that constant need to be interacting with the software interface and not the mixer and turntables that miffs me, more so than poor quality rips.
i seriously looked at getting a midi controller to use (and akai lpd8) but having played with one recently it just didn't offer the same level of control as the 57sl and it was yet another bit of kit to cram into my already tight setup.
last weekend i had a really awesome night mixing with my wife - she could mix before we met (in 95) but was always too shy (which in itself is odd as i'm sure those who've met her will agree!) to have a mix in front of me because i was gigging all the time. that 4 or 5 hours of mixing (oldskool prog house) was just awesome and honestly wouldnt have been possible if we were using serato as i would've had to spend time explaining it all and she would've just not bothered. that in itself highlighted the lack of spontaneity aspect of a digital platform.
question : how many of the vinyl djs on here know the tunes by the sleeve or label and not the name of the tune?
anyhoo, to save me from waffling on and on and on and on i'll stop here ->
Last edited by haze; 14th January 2011 at 10:51.
me and curly had this debate, i don't have a clue what half of my tunes are called, i only know them at a glance of the label usually. i struggle when using curlys serato coz the names of tunes generally mean nothing to me.
I think you need to start showing off your turntablism skills on Renegade Haze....
i may pop up on the swipez and curlz show at some point this year......
You know it makes sense.... gotta' show them yams the real skills belong in the south!!
love ya thrash but you're talking shit.You know it makes sense.... gotta' show them yams the real skills belong in the south!!
perhaps he's classing coventry as the south too....
Possibly but I know Haze is part of the anti-gunshot brigade!!love ya thrash but you're talking shit.
same here! im the wrong colour for all that brrrraaaap ting thing!Possibly but I know Haze is part of the anti-gunshot brigade!!
its south of brum, so yeah.....perhaps he's classing coventry as the south too....
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