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About LinkBackssince when as there been better than 320 ? don't say i am going to have to get all me singles etc done againby the way what's the new highest ?
since when as there been better than 320 ? don't say i am going to have to get all me singles etc done again
The best mp3 is 320 but Lossless files are even better quality - file sizes are bigger which is the major difference not to mention the sound quality
I'm starting to collect lossless files - flac, wav, windows lossless, ape etc
I rip all my vinyl to wav & the quality is excellent.
A 320 rip will be roughly twice the size in mb's than the length of the track whereas a wav is about 10 times the size in mb's than the length of the track if that makes any sense?!
I've lost alot of blood tonight so might be talking shite
soz and all lady, but i must disagree ... 320 used to be the best mp3 but has been surpassed by V0 VBR ... a 320 has a lot of 'silent noise' used to fill up tracks to ensure a cbr of 320 ... a V0 VBR only takes the audio required and doesn't have any silent noise used as paddingOriginally Posted by msprim
but, for the best quality, FLAC, wav etc are the way to go if and when possible
If any of my uploads have dead links, please PM me for a re-upload
I knew you would answer this thread Oothe
I was going to add V0 VBR but i all i could remember last night was V0 so i didn't write it
Unless you possess a 50k Cerwin Vega rig in your living room or ever play out at proper venues with modern sonics etc, it'll make fook all difference anyway.
If like the majority of us, you listen to your old skool on an iPod/home stereo/car stereo then decent 320kbps rips are all you need.
& before anyone else starts chirping up, I've tried it at high volume on all of the three mediums above & it's fact!!
Think I'll chirp up there pal - Curly showed me round his house the same rip of a vinyl, wav, then the actual vinyl itself. The difference is amazing, and what surprised me is that not only is the wav wayyyyyy better than the 320, but the original source (vinyl) was sublime!Unless you possess a 50k Cerwin Vega rig in your living room or ever play out at proper venues with modern sonics etc, it'll make fook all difference anyway.
If like the majority of us, you listen to your old skool on an iPod/home stereo/car stereo then decent 320kbps rips are all you need.
& before anyone else starts chirping up, I've tried it at high volume on all of the three mediums above & it's fact!!
As for you OSR ya northern bender, wav would probs be your best bet at the minute. Found out an hour ago that our senior CCTV engineer is a mod on NZBsRus.com - NZB, Search, Files, Newsgroup, Usenet, Download and knows the ins and outs of these things - turns out that a wav is multi-layered (hence the huge size) and you can extract these "layers" which are different frequencies (e.g. vocals [mid-range], bass [low-range], etc.) from the wav itself. So imagine a wav consists of 12 individual tracks of a tune layered together, each track being processed to the best of it's ability, and an mp3 - no matter how high the kbps - is just the one track of everything squashed together... the difference is there right away.
I did initially find a few members getting tiresome constantly yapping on about upgrading their collection, but since last summer I've been on the quest myself. Tbh, think I've only got about 150 wavs myself, if that
I see where Thrash is coming from though, as I've got some banging 128 kbps mp3s, which shows it's all about the source, the equipment used to rip, and the quality of the recording itself.
So I am right....
I can't tell any difference on my Bose car stereo between a wav & a 320 mp3.... therefore I stick to 320's as that's where I listen to old skool the most. I can't even tell the difference on my Sennheiser HD 25-II headphones either.
Perhaps I need a new amp....?
Just how much pissing money have you got?
Bose stez in the car - the Audi "cock-car" no less - seinheizer headphones, iPad 2, etc...
Give some moolah to your old mod pal swipey - Go on, I'll send you some gunshot jungle
Not as much as that couple from Falkirk..... & I don't drive the 'cock' version either, it's not an RS4!Just how much pissing money have you got?
Bose stez in the car - the Audi "cock-car" no less - seinheizer headphones, iPad 2, etc...
Give some moolah to your old mod pal swipey - Go on, I'll send you some gunshot jungle
iPad 2 & Sennhesier Headphones are essential to ignore the wife after three years of marriage.... they are a lifestyle choice, nowt to do with money.
Give it a couple of years & you'll know what I mean....
Anyway, regardless of the many layers a wav may have, if your own ear can't tell the difference it defeats the object surely?
Thanks mate
Give it a couple of years & you'll know what I mean....
I know what you mean but if you were standing there in Curly Towers studio listening to those different rips, you just know the difference, I can't explain it any better than thatAnyway, regardless of the many layers a wav may have, if your own ear can't tell the difference it defeats the object surely?
Curly DJ's (I use that term loosely) at various venues with proper sound systems so would need to use wavs or preferrably the actual vinyl. Call me a cynic, but I go for the rip that sounds the loudest & clearest regardless of the bit rate.I know what you mean but if you were standing there in Curly Towers studio listening to those different rips, you just know the difference, I can't explain it any better than that
I've got plenty of 192kbps rips that would embarrass some of the wav's that have been uploaded for loudness & sound quality as like you say, much depends on the equipment used to rip the tune itself....
Absolutelybut I go for the rip that sounds the loudest & clearest regardless of the bit rate.
Amen.... can we now admit I was right all along & my opinion on any subject can be quoted as fact?Absolutely
No mate because technically & theoretically you're wrong, and you know itAmen.... can we now admit I was right all along & my opinion on any subject can be quoted as fact?
I may also tell everyone that you were "politely" nodding your head to the gunshot jungle at the meet-up, but I wouldn't do that to you a public forum.
Oooooh, shit
& I have video footage of you dancing like my dad as well as crawling round the floor after too many Blue WKD's....I may also tell everyone that you were "politely" nodding your head at the gunshot jungle at the meet-up, but I wouldn't do that to you a public forum.
Oooooh, shit
& mc'ing....
I've got an idea, why don't you get Frank Sidebottom to upload these examples of the differing bit rates for us all to test on our own systems, then we can give some proper feedback & finally put this one to bed?
Yes, yes, yes& I have video footage of you dancing like my dad as well as crawling round the floor after too many Blue WKD's....
& mc'ing....
Yeah it's a plan mate, but I honestly think there's no argument - we both agree that wav is better, but not necessarily so due to different recording circumstances, it's swings & roundabouts.I've got an idea, why don't you get Frank Sidebottom to upload these examples of the differing bit rates for us all to test on our own systems, then we can give some proper feedback & finally put this one to bed?
Me personally - like yourself - have some ace 192 rips that piss all over a coupla wavs I've got - the only reason I'm upgrading is because I'm anal regarding my collection
Plus the fact that Curly couldn't actually upload an original vinyl
Unless all the forum goes round his house... Hey! Just had an idea about another meet-up...
Yeah but no but yeah but no but.... surely the whole argument needs settling though as clearly wavs are better but if you don't possess any stereo equipment that is capable of making that difference noticeable then having the wavs (& the extra space they consume) is pointless?Yes, yes, yes
Yeah it's a plan mate, but I honestly think there's no argument - we both agree that wav is better, but not necessarily so due to different recording circumstances, it's swings & roundabouts.
Me personally - like yourself - have some ace 192 rips that piss all over a coupla wavs I've got - the only reason I'm upgrading is because I'm anal regarding my collection
Without some kind of empirical evidence it's all conjecture....
Okay. Agreed. You're making me tired.
Chesney....
I'm uploading as I type.... will settle this once & for all!
You go for it son!Chesney....
I'm uploading as I type.... will settle this once & for all!
I am collecting WAVs too as i am getting decks and Serato Live and Curly said WAVs sound so much better then mp3s when using Serato Live
I'm about to sell most of my collection and am planning on ripping it beforehand, so I'm very curious about the outcome of this, and would also like a comparison of wav to flac if you fellas are up for it. Personally I don't hear much difference between wav and 320 when I rip, and considering I do some sound cleaning (Resurrect your old recordings | Audio Restoration | Brian Davies), my 320s tend to "sound" better. That said, I know the integrity of the file has been compromised and that theoretically the wav has more potential if technology does ever make that difference audible to my abused sense of hearing. Space and the time it takes to rip, process, transfer and backup 2,000 or so vinyls is an issue though, so if anyone can speak to the flac vs. wav comparison, I'd really appreciate it. Also, if anyone knows of a good external soundcard for ripping on a laptop, please share the knowledge. I'll be ripping on an audiophile turntable with a Grado Platinum1 cartridge.
Someone needs to try this
mix a 320mp3 into a vinyl tune and the difference is obvious. no real sub bass comming through and the high end just doesn't seem to be nice and crisp, and doesn't cut through the mix.
to me it's the same as mixing a wav (as that's what gets pressed onto vinyl right?) with an mp3, the difference is obvious. i'm supprised people are saying different.
it's evident when i adjust the gains on my mixer for wav and mp3. wav is more or less the same as the vinyl (say 10 o clock)
and mp3s are always around 12 - 1 o clock.
you need that boost to level them out and make them sound fairly decent in the mix IMO.
In my opinion you should rip your vinyl to wav and then copy them to DVDs as a back up, you can then convert your wavs to 320 mp3 for your hard drive - that way you will always have the good quality wavs if anything happens to your PC/laptop or external hard drive.
There's no difference with the wav or flacs or any other lossless format in sound quality it's just the file sizes are different - but you rip as a wav first anyway before you convert them to flac.
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