Thread: Its All About Oldskool Weekly Email (6th February 2011)

Welcome to this week’s IAAO email.

I mentioned in last week’s email about how I felt about Oldskool and this week I’d like to elaborate on what I meant by this.

To put it simply, I find now that I have no interest in it any-more.

When Pureoldskoolers opened, it was like a new lease of life. A fire long since burnt out was ignited again and it felt like I was in heaven. I took great pleasure in uploading all my old tape packs for the world to enjoy (and enjoy they did, on many different websites) and at the same time I was grabbing sets I didn’t get to hear or buy the first time round. Towards the end of PO’s life, this fire was not as bright, but it was still burning and when IAAO opened, the fire was quite dim.

Here we are, almost 2 years since IAAO opened its doors and I can safely say the fire once again has gone out completely. I have no interest in sets, singles or albums from the rave days any-more. If I’m really honest I actually find it all quite boring now. It hurts a little to say this now but no matter how hard I try to fight that feeling, it just doesn’t work, the fire has sadly gone out and I don’t think it will ever be ignited again.

Yes I was part of the scene and the music (although some seem to think I wasn’t) but my collection now is just that, a collection, nothing more, nothing less. It’s just there as a reminder of a time when I was growing up and a reminder of a part of my life which has now ended. Just like the 80’s when I was into Break-dancing and all the music which came with that scene. I can look back with fond memories of a time which has now passed.

So isn’t it a bit of a contradiction that I own an oldskool site when I’m not into the music any-more? Well not really. I actually don’t see it as an oldskool site any-more, I see it now as a social club, a place to come and have a chat and a laugh with a good bunch of people. The only time I venture into the download sections now is to post up stuff I’ve come across. I still have quite a bit of stuff to upload from my collection, but it’s not high up on my list of things to do.

I’m glad that those sections still bring a lot of pleasure to people and I know there is a big group of you who are still religious when it comes to upping tracks, sets and albums. They are being used and they are being enjoyed by lots of you.

Don’t get me wrong here in thinking I have no passion left for the site, that couldn’t be further from the truth. I still love the site as much as I did when it first opened its doors and I can say without a shadow of doubt that this will always be the case. It’s just the music itself which I have no passion for now.

I must admit that when I head over to RR and listen to the shows and chat with the people there, I enjoy myself a lot, but I think this is more down to the actual people and the atmosphere and fun in the chat room there. But at the same time, there is a now such a diverse range of music on there that I find when I tune up, I stayed tuned in for much longer because it’s not just about oldskool any-more, it’s much fresher now and it’s such a joy to hear. Even I have a monthly Trance show on there now which I can’t actually believe, but it’s true and that just shows you the scope of how things have changed.

Things do change for people and as much as we don’t like to admit it sometimes, there is really no point in trying to fight it, you just have to let go.

Have a great week,

China.

Proper thought provoking shit this.

I read this and thought to myself, when was the last time I actually downloaded an oldskool set?

And when I say oldskool I kind of revert back to the old convo we've had a million times about what oldskool is! For me oldskool has to be pre-1996, and really earlier than '96. 1994 and before at my personal limit. There comes a time when you've almost got it all, isn't there. Not saying I have like, but you can spend ages looking and not finding.

I wish I had every Stu Allan Key 103 set from when he started to the end of '94. I wish I had every Gallery tape ever done. I wish I had every Orbit set of DJ Sy. I wish I wish I wish but these things, they aint going to come true.

Ultimately though I still love music, I love it all. And we keep the music alive, right here, or at least this segment of music. This subset of a scene that used to be the entire scene. This music that represents, not just a branch of EDM and the associated attitude, but a whole way to behave because back then that's what it was! They say recessions are a fertile ground for new movements (This town, is nothing but a ghost town!) and it's true. This one could be the start of a whole new movement and IMO it's the likes of Askew, Nickson, O'Callaghan and MLS that are going to bring it. But that's just my opinion!

I think we all go through stages when we go off oldskool - i know i do. But i always come back to it. It's in my blood i guess.

At the moment i am trying to get all the oldskool tunes on my wants list. I haven't listened to an oldskool set in months apart from when i listen to mixes that people have done and they want an opinion for them or if i tune into RR. I haven't mixed any oldskool for months either. But in time i will.

At the moment i am more into hardcore breaks and i am starting to get back into oldskool UK garage too. But i know i will get back into oldskool some day. I just need a break from it from time to time.

Maybe one day you will get the oldskool bug back China.

To be honest, it was the music that brought me here - but its not what keeps me here. Since discovering this place i've meet people & found other ways of getting tunes if i really want them. What keeps me here is the crack we have.

Same as the Primster, i'm finding i'm playing of the oldskool & more of the new HCB lately - not because i've gone off the old stuff but it just helps keep it that bit fresher.

Saying that, i'll hear a set on RR like i did recently and suddenly i want id's on all the tunes and that same old buzz just comes flooding back.

As the saying goes boss - u can take the boy away from the oldskool, but...........

I find I go through phases of listening to different types of music but always return to old skool after a while.... s'pose it depends on what your lowest common denominator is regarding music? I'd imagine for China it's that gay trance stuff....

That's another funny thing about it. I am not really a fan of HCB in todays stuff. I much prefer trance, hard trance, and even then only a small segment. I don't like the mainstream shit, I like the stuff people raise an eyebrow at. And I don't like it because people pas it me; I go out and find my own shit and make my own decisions. And I don't give a flying fart what people think about it. And surely that's what music is all about and IMO where it's all gone a bit weird.

A big part of "rave" was that it was abhorred by the masses purely because of the label and the press it got. I remember being 16 or 17 and my Mum calling it noise. Add 10 years to it and have it on in my car and all of a sudden it's superb and she wants a fucking copy of it. Did it all of a sudden become good or did she get used to the ethos etc of EDM and got an ear for separating the wheat from the chaff?

Good music is good music, EOS. You go on facebook now and all of your mates you never see link up tunes that they never heard before with posts going on about oldskool this and that. Load of bollocks. They don't know and more to the point, they don't care. They say it because they think they should, they think it makes them somehow deep or special or some shit. They don't really understand. At least we can say we understand. We get it. And while we can go a bit cold on it for a bit we will always understand. We can branch out in our own way and embrace different forms of EDM, different branches of the same tree. But the same tree guys and gals. And what a big fucking tree it has grown into. Acorn to Oak and mighty as a motherfucker. Bigtime.

Originally Posted by Danril

That's another funny thing about it. I am not really a fan of HCB in todays stuff. I much prefer trance, hard trance, and even then only a small segment. I don't like the mainstream shit, I like the stuff people raise an eyebrow at. And I don't like it because people pas it me; I go out and find my own shit and make my own decisions. And I don't give a flying fart what people think about it. And surely that's what music is all about and IMO where it's all gone a bit weird.

A big part of "rave" was that it was abhorred by the masses purely because of the label and the press it got. I remember being 16 or 17 and my Mum calling it noise. Add 10 years to it and have it on in my car and all of a sudden it's superb and she wants a fucking copy of it. Did it all of a sudden become good or did she get used to the ethos etc of EDM and got an ear for separating the wheat from the chaff?

Good music is good music, EOS. You go on facebook now and all of your mates you never see link up tunes that they never heard before with posts going on about oldskool this and that. Load of bollocks. They don't know and more to the point, they don't care. They say it because they think they should, they think it makes them somehow deep or special or some shit. They don't really understand. At least we can say we understand. We get it. And while we can go a bit cold on it for a bit we will always understand. We can branch out in our own way and embrace different forms of EDM, different branches of the same tree. But the same tree guys and gals. And what a big fucking tree it has grown into. Acorn to Oak and mighty as a motherfucker. Bigtime.

Yep, Rome wasn't built in a day....

















Errr... I'll get my coat.

I find that i always come back to this place because all the folk here are sweet as.I like a lot of you go through phases where i have to give the oldskool a break for a while or not listen as much anyway,but i will never lose the love for the sound.For me it is the ultimate in dance music & will never be matched.
I will be avin' it till the day i die!

RRRR Roll The Beats!

it's hard to touch upon...sometimes. I listen to the music I grew up with and sometimes think "am I beyond this now?" or "am I too old to be listening to this? Am I hanging on to the last wisps of a childhood/adolescence that I should let go of?"

Pfffs! Why? Why should anyone remove something that provides so much pleasure? The very fact that I still return to the music that has been in my ears day in day out since 1992 is testament to the longevity and power of it, despite what anyone else thinks or says....sure, some music is outdated and corny or cheesy or contrite; there was a dime a dozen of very generic sounding, typically produced Rave from early doors to beyond. But in amongst all that were the true music-makers, the Innovators - the Basements, Jack Smooths...Waxdoctors et al, those that pushed boundaries and spread the paramaters wider, combining influences and constructing leading edge sounds....incredibly focused and driven music. Likewise my Dad remarked that it was all "noise" all "e-e-e-ahhh ahh blam blam" etc. But it wasn't to me. It was salvation, it was occupation, it was dream and excitement; it was colour, sound, speed and pyschedelic twisting; imagery, surreal and modern and enveloping.

It's very difficult for me to let go of that. The scene may have long since become a ghost, the zeitgeist still sauntering thru the brickwork of silent walls of old warehouses and facilities, but the noise of the youth still marches on in the spectral memories, you just have to listen a bit closely....the whistles horns and yells of pure excitement are buried there, a part of that history. The moment a needle hit a record and the magic began....yes it's all MP3 collections coming out your ears now, and vinyl a sort of halycon reminder of that era; but the fact that everyone still involves themselves somehow, from websites to producers of new-breaks stuff to ardent fans like me....it's just something that I developed a passion for, some tunes will always just...take me somewhere, a different journey - across different genres.....music is its own spiritual entity, where I don't search for 'God' or a god, I have my own godheads in the form of amen breakbeats and manic sounds, blissful pianos and basslines that feel like they're going to burst thru your head! I haven't finished with the worship yet......

The music for me is just one aspect of oldskool. I will never get fed up of listening to the tunes and finding something I've never heard before still gives me a huge buzz. Since I started DJ'ing on Renegade I've had to broaden my horizons as I was strictly Hardcore but having a regular slot has made me appreciate other aspects.

As I stated at the start of this thread, it wasn't just about the music and I have some fantastic memories which I will never let go.

In a nut-shell.......HARDCORE (Oldskool) WILL NEVER DIE!

I know exactly what you guys mean. I'm here for the people. The music is all well and good, but I haven't downloaded a set, or even listened to one, for well over a year. I found this place when I was looking for an old 051 set, and I'm glad I found it. But straight away I felt welcome, got help when I needed it, and I don't think I've had an argument with anyone on here. (There's still time, though). I've even came on here when my depression has gotten really bad, and just had a read of old threads to help me get my shit together. There's no other board I can do that on.

Back in the old days, I was more about the partying and the drugs more than the music, I mean I love the music, but it was just a soundtrack to what I was back then. You know I'm a metal head at heart, that kind of music means more to me than Oldskool, but I've got some of the best memories of my life from clubs, raves, and getting off my face.

As I said, I come to this board for the people, every one of you are sound, and hopefully I'll get to meet some of you in person one day. After all, we're just a bunch of middle aged guys and gals trying to hold on to our youth, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. Group hug.

totally agree with all the comments posted so far...my tastes in music change over time too.

as far as general listening is concerned i tend to listen to my varied collection in random mode (either on my iphone or itunes) so i get to hear stuff i'd not normally choose, that has the effect of sending me off on different tangents a lot of the time, which is great. at the mo for instance i'm listening to a lot of downtempo stuff (bonobo, fever ray, bibio, boards of canada type of thang) as well as a healthy dose of reggae.

dance music wise my taste has always been heavily linked to what i'm currently mixing. those tastes were always changing when i was playing "current" stuff, though the hardcore was ever present as it was my first love and why i got into mixing in the first place. in 2004 i had a break from mixing for a few years (tbh touring was turning me into a proper coked up arsehole!) and listened almost exclusively to non dance music stuff but sometime in 2006 a mate of mine gave me a cd he'd bought from the Fantazia site and it sparked my interest in getting hold of some of the tunes i'd either sold or had blagged bitd. that spark basically turned into an all consuming passion and i got both the record hunting and djing bug back again! that led to searching the net for sets and (to cut a long story short) stumbling across PO whilst looking for a copy of Easygroove @ Club Obsession Oct 92 (which I found!).

Anyhoo, end of 2009 saw my collection of sets reaching almost completion and i stopped downloading them and switched to grabbing single tracks for use in serato. my trials and tribulations with that software led me to stop dling rips shortly after the forum bash and with it a gradual decline on my involvement & input into the site (so much so that i actually asked China to kill my account, which he talked me out of)...i was still buying oldskool records, but the focus shifted from mixing to ripping full releases for serato. where that went is well documented on the site so i wont repeat myself (again!).

I dont think i'll ever return to downloading sets or singles tbh, though as so many of you have also said it's more about the banter and day to day life of the forum now than grabbing everything i can. oldskool hardcore will always be my first musical love and i'll carry on hunting out rarities on vinyl and returning to the sound time and again...

currently i'm mostly mixing turn of the century drum n bass....though unlike hardcore i have absolutely no desire to join one of the forums or hunt out classic tunes or download sets...

Originally Posted by tomahawk

it's hard to touch upon...sometimes. I listen to the music I grew up with and sometimes think "am I beyond this now?" or "am I too old to be listening to this? Am I hanging on to the last wisps of a childhood/adolescence that I should let go of?"

Pfffs! Why? Why should anyone remove something that provides so much pleasure? The very fact that I still return to the music that has been in my ears day in day out since 1992 is testament to the longevity and power of it, despite what anyone else thinks or says....sure, some music is outdated and corny or cheesy or contrite; there was a dime a dozen of very generic sounding, typically produced Rave from early doors to beyond. But in amongst all that were the true music-makers, the Innovators - the Basements, Jack Smooths...Waxdoctors et al, those that pushed boundaries and spread the paramaters wider, combining influences and constructing leading edge sounds....incredibly focused and driven music. Likewise my Dad remarked that it was all "noise" all "e-e-e-ahhh ahh blam blam" etc. But it wasn't to me. It was salvation, it was occupation, it was dream and excitement; it was colour, sound, speed and pyschedelic twisting; imagery, surreal and modern and enveloping.

It's very difficult for me to let go of that. The scene may have long since become a ghost, the zeitgeist still sauntering thru the brickwork of silent walls of old warehouses and facilities, but the noise of the youth still marches on in the spectral memories, you just have to listen a bit closely....the whistles horns and yells of pure excitement are buried there, a part of that history. The moment a needle hit a record and the magic began....yes it's all MP3 collections coming out your ears now, and vinyl a sort of halycon reminder of that era; but the fact that everyone still involves themselves somehow, from websites to producers of new-breaks stuff to ardent fans like me....it's just something that I developed a passion for, some tunes will always just...take me somewhere, a different journey - across different genres.....music is its own spiritual entity, where I don't search for 'God' or a god, I have my own godheads in the form of amen breakbeats and manic sounds, blissful pianos and basslines that feel like they're going to burst thru your head! I haven't finished with the worship yet......

Love all that! Quality!!

Originally Posted by Curly

I will never get fed up of listening to the tunes and finding something I've never heard before still gives me a huge buzz.

I'm with you on that one.Totally agree.

I think Dodders made a point in his post that sums it up for me and many people on this site

"it was the music that brought me here - but its not what keeps me here"

The members on this forum and all admin have made this site a great place to be - the banter is brilliant and i like the fact you can say what you like without upsetting people. You can voice your opinions and although we may not always agree we have respect for each other. I haven't had a row with anyone on this site and i never will. Some people even feel comfortable enough to share their problems so they can get things out of their system and get a sympathetic ear which isn't something you see on forums too often either.

I also like the fact that we are a very sharing bunch with our collections - when we need id's or tunes on our wants lists - members will always try to help you out

Oldskool music was the main reason we all joined this site but now it's not as important to some of us - we all need change from time to time. So even though some of us aren't listening to oldskool as much or if at all, it's the people on this site we come back for and we know the oldskool will always be here for us when we do get the bug again.

Not suprised atall me ole china that ya feelin the way ya do.

You have made it clear for ages that, though you have a love for the oldskool hardcore, your main pasion is trance....and who can say thats wrong? no one!

I think you, like me, and a number of the guys n gals here have had an extensive experience of the different styles of music, clubs, trends and vibes from when we started our love affairs with the scene we love, be that a dirty warehouse with a few 1000 people in jeans and trainers gettin sweaty and shouting "oioi", to a pimped up trendy super club with air con, bar while still having people shout "oioi" as they enjoy the vibes.

But to me, that is the beauty of our 'culture' today....

My main passion was and still is for the oldskool 88-94 hardcore sounds...BUT... more than a few hours of it non stop, with no diversity or change of pace.....im bored.... and i know for a fact the majority of people that have been into it for as long as i have feel the same way.

I see it as, im not 15-18 anymore, i have lived through many other styles of music, club scenes and vibes, from the techno sounds of 90/91, to hardcore in 92/3, jungle and happy hardcore in 94/97, house in 94/6, and also trance/drum n bass/gabba/ragga, even trip hop............pretty much anythin you can take drugs too in a club and dance (or just swey around).... and not to mention all the other things i havegone through like brit pop (blur, oasis, verve etc) as well as many other styles of music....

cos i have lived through them, and loved and enjoyed them, and not just listening to one style 24/7 i have an apetite for different things at different times... variaty is the spice of life afterall.

I have a passion for all of the above....though try and play R&B to me and feel my wrath

I think what im tryin to say is, just cos ya feel the flame is burning out for one style, having a passion for music will never die, and that will always lead you back into what you thought had died..... i have been there myself a few times and know it will happen again, but that is the reason i love so many styles of music.....though so long as i can rush off it, bounce around and feel a kikin vibe with like minded people........ i will never cut the sounds out.........cos the vibes and cravings always return and as has been said..... there are 1000s upon 1000s of tunes that have not been uncovered out there.

i hope i got some sort of point / opinion accross there, im still on my 1st cup of coffee and eyes half shut after a drunken night, so please forgive my burbling

For me, its not just about the style of music that gets ya juices flowing..... its the mood and atmosphere it creates within a group of people on the same plane of thought and a similar vibe....



now i need another coffee

keep the passion alive and the vibes will always flow - BIG UP

Puffa

Sup China, well i aint spoken to you before man but anybody that knows me or has heard me play on renegade or various other "oldskool" sites will know that i play oldskool very rarely these day's for much the same reason.... I have dj'ed on and off from 87- present day and i have many different sorts of trax in my collection but oldskool kinda does my head in 24/7 now.

These day's your more likely to hear me playing deep house or tech house with some techno thrown in here and there and most of these will be tracks from the past days-months or maybe as far back as 2000 max, dont get me wrong i love doing a d&b set which i did recently on there but i'm 36 going on 37 and i for one know "grandad" dancing aint cool to watch also i don't fancy a hip replacement at my age byt trying to boogie to some 180bpm gabba .

The best thing i ever done was sell my decks years ago and go fully digital the main reason it was the best thing i ever done ?? well it gives you unlimited diversity to download any different style of music and so gives you chance to play about more with your sets by remixing live or pissing about with loops/breaks/accapellas etc...

Music is an ever changing entity and like many things in life too much of a good thing feels shit after a while so change is as good as a break imo.

I was on another site which plays 95% piano or "plink" as i call it... you know the italian sorta stuff and it done my head in that people lived in that era no matter what descent new music came out !?? and as i couldnt live in circa 1990 for the rest of my life i decided that wasnt the place for me, Renegade is class as you will hear all sorts of styles now which makes it a change thus making it more enjoyable.

Anyway man nuff talking from me prob sent everyone to sleep as it is lol....

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned in this thread about being in an altered state of mind whilst listening to old skool.....?

Try getting off your head on weed, drink or even harder drugs & rinse out some old skool, you'll soon find yourself lovin' it again as that's what it's designed for....

Originally Posted by msprim

I think Dodders made a point in his post that sums it up for me and many people on this site

"it was the music that brought me here - but its not what keeps me here"

The members on this forum and all admin have made this site a great place to be - the banter is brilliant and i like the fact you can say what you like without upsetting people. You can voice your opinions and although we may not always agree we have respect for each other. I haven't had a row with anyone on this site and i never will. Some people even feel comfortable enough to share their problems so they can get things out of their system and get a sympathetic ear which isn't something you see on forums too often either.

I also like the fact that we are a very sharing bunch with our collections - when we need id's or tunes on our wants lists - members will always try to help you out

Oldskool music was the main reason we all joined this site but now it's not as important to some of us - we all need change from time to time. So even though some of us aren't listening to oldskool as much or if at all, it's the people on this site we come back for and we know the oldskool will always be here for us when we do get the bug again.

msprim's hit the nail on the head for me it all about the oldskool people

Originally Posted by oldskool

msprim's hit the nail on the head for me it all about the oldskool people

There are some fantastic replies in this thread. It would be nice to reply to them individually but that would take a considerable amount of time to do.

It's good to see people actually do read the email

Ok, let me just say that although I now have no interest in oldskool any-more, in collecting or playing it, I still do have sets and tracks that I cherish. The reason I cherish them and it's been mentioned in the replies to this thread is because of memories, times, places and the likes. Whether that was because I was there, or because of a time and place I heard a track and this then brings some fantastic memories flooding back.

Like all of us music has a way of speaking to us in ways we all understand. It's not just about oldskool though, it could be from any genre.

I sometimes read from members here that they listen to oldskool harcore sets or tracks in their cars on the way to work etc, but I can't remember the last time I did that as I have no interest in doing that. You all know I love Trance, but it may surprise you to learn that I never listen to it in the car. I put the radio on, be it talk radio or a station that plays interesting music. Not the yoof stations like Kiss, galaxy etc.

The thing to remember here is that oldskool Hardcore is stuck, it will never progress. It's stuck in time. Once you have collected all those tracks from back then, once you have got every set from every event (quite impossible really, but i'm trying to make a point here) that's it, the end. There is nothing more to get because the music has been and gone. You could be a fan of 60's music, but again, it was a decade of music and it's stuck, it will never progress any further. HCB is different, it's not oldskool but it has the same sound, but it's not oldskool hardcore. It has it's own identity and genre and it's own followers. But that's where it ends.

When I listened to a show Dodders did a few weeks back playing HCB, I really enjoyed it, but it didn't suddenly light a fire inside me and it didn't make me go out and start buying tracks from that genre. Puffa also played some of this stuff on his show last Friday. Again I enjoyed the show, the music was great, but once I logged off and went to bed, that was it. I didn't have any interest in suddenly becoming a fan and buying the music. I enjoyed it for what it was and that's where it ends.

You see it all the time though, you will get people who hear a track they like and suddenly they are the worlds biggest fan and expert on that genre. They jump on band wagons. I think we are all like that to a certain degree, although we don't like to admit we are. Yes it's great to become a fan of a genre and to discover music, but I think when it comes to HCB people are holding on to that last bit of their youth and labelling it as oldskool hardcore (i'm not saying everyone of course). I don't think that is fair to the genre or the people that make it because it's taking away it's own identity. It's not oldskool hardcore, it was never made back then and it will never be that music, but it seems people forget this. At the same time though some people are marketing this music as oldskool hardcore, which is the wrong thing to do IMO.

I've completely gone off the point here but oldskool hardcore for me has been and gone. I have no desire to mix with it, collect it any-more or listen to it on a regular basis, just as I have no desire to constantly listen to 80's music, but I know that if I just stick to one thing, I will never discover the beauty of other music, emerging music.

Originally Posted by China-Rising

When I listened to a show Dodders did a few weeks back playing HCB, I really enjoyed it, but it didn't suddenly light a fire inside me and it didn't make me go out and start buying tracks from that genre. Puffa also played some of this stuff on his show last Friday. Again I enjoyed the show, the music was great, but once I logged off and went to bed, that was it. I didn't have any interest in suddenly becoming a fan and buying the music. I enjoyed it for what it was and that's where it ends.

You see it all the time though, you will get people who hear a track they like and suddenly they are the worlds biggest fan and expert on that genre. They jump on band wagons. I think we are all like that to a certain degree, although we don't like to admit we are. Yes it's great to become a fan of a genre and to discover music, but I think when it comes to HCB people are holding on to that last bit of their youth and labelling it as oldskool hardcore (i'm not saying everyone of course). I don't think that is fair to the genre or the people that make it because it's taking away it's own identity. It's not oldskool hardcore, it was never made back then and it will never be that music, but it seems people forget this. At the same time though some people are marketing this music as oldskool hardcore, which is the wrong thing to do IMO.

Then our work is not yet done......

Seriously, i understand what your saying, especially the bit about HCB not being oldskool......but here's the thing - i've got a selection of new stuff that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up & puts a huge smile on my face like it would've back in the day - but thats not to say its taking me back. It can't, the tune didn't exist back then. On the other hand it does make me feel like i want to be 20 yrs old again.....not 20 back in '92 - but 20 years old now - so i could go out and really enjoy whats being made.

That, i think, is all that really matters. Regardless of when a tune was made or its genre - if it puts a smile on your face & brightens up your day then its work is done.

2 sayings we've all used spring to mind:

Hardcore will never die.....maybe, maybe not

Keeping the vibe alive - thats the one that speaks volumes for me...

Trance is still gay....

Originally Posted by dodders

Then our work is not yet done......

Seriously, i understand what your saying, especially the bit about HCB not being oldskool......but here's the thing - i've got a selection of new stuff that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up & puts a huge smile on my face like it would've back in the day - but thats not to say its taking me back. It can't, the tune didn't exist back then. On the other hand it does make me feel like i want to be 20 yrs old again.....not 20 back in '92 - but 20 years old now - so i could go out and really enjoy whats being made.

That, i think, is all that really matters. Regardless of when a tune was made or its genre - if it puts a smile on your face & brightens up your day then its work is done.

2 sayings we've all used spring to mind:

Hardcore will never die.....maybe, maybe not

Keeping the vibe alive - thats the one that speaks volumes for me...

Very true Dodders.

I just do not obsess over oldskool hardcore like I use to, it's just lost it's charm. As I said there are still tracks and sets which I love, but I have no urge to suddenly stick them on in the car or listen to them at home and that is the case of oldskool in general.

I still have all my vinyl, I still have my tape packs and neither I would ever sell. But that's not because it's oldskool, it's because it's part of my collection and part of my past. Sentimental reasons are what is keeping it with me.

Originally Posted by Thrash

Trance is still gay....

Then I'm the biggest gay in the village