THE HORSE RACING THREAD

**Danril** · 6th July 2009

No worries!

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

yesterday a friend of ours imformed use of a new 2 yr old called dusty trail who will be gracing the racetracks very soon and on breeding could be worth following.they currently have their horses with bill turner but are considering moving too andrew haynes yard.he has a very good strike rate in lower class races.the owners of dust trail have another horse called dusty dane who is coming into form (3rd @ kempton 20/08/09.analysis:disputed 3rd, tracked winner 8th until mistake 14th, outpaced 4 out, stayed on again from 2 out).and will be worth a look next time out.i thought i would share this with you all as they expect a big run from dusty dane and andrew haynes said he would be very intrested in training him as he was impressed with what he saw.

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

ANDREW HAYNES: CONKWELL STUD.
andrew is a local trainer of whom myself and girlfriend are friends with the head stable lab.andrew is well in form at the present and is well worth following under both rules.here are his entries:
06 Jul 09 15:30 Brighton: Caribbean Coral Friday-ad Selling Stakes
06 Jul 09 15:30 Brighton: Call Me Courageous Friday-ad Selling Stakes
06 Jul 09 18:00 Windsor: Seneschal Sportingbet Apprentice Handicap
06 Jul 09 20:30 Windsor: Poppet's Lovein Sportingbet Maiden Fillies' Stakes
07 Jul 09 14:45 Wolverhampton :Cognac Boy Cleandomain Selling Stakes
07 Jul 09 16:15 Wolverhampton: Mafaheem Clean Concierge Handicap
07 Jul 09 20:50 Uttoxeter: Willies Way Niagara Handicap Hurdle
08 Jul 09 15:20 Lingfield: Cool Libby Surrey Royal British Legion Handicap
08 Jul 09 20:50 Kempton :Star of Pompey Leonard Curtis Handicap
09 Jul 09 15:20 Folkestone: Star of Pompey Ladbrokes.com Handicap
09 Jul 09 16:40 Warwick :Special Cuvee Warwickracecourse.co.uk Handicap
09 Jul 09 17:15 Warwick: First Maid Racing Uk Maiden Stakes
10 Jul 09 19:35 Chepstow :Special Cuvee 'Waitrose Caldicot Is Now Open' Handicap
01 Aug 09 15:50 Goodwood :Seneschal Bluesquare.com Stewards' Cup Heritage Handicap
20 Aug 09 14:35 York

aniella De Bruijn Dbs 300000 St Leger Yearling Stakes

the ones i would back are:
seneschal
caribbean coral
Daniella De Bruijn
Cool Libby
Willies Way

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

to night @ windsor in the 20.30 POPPETS LOVIN :3-y-o bay filly Lomitas (UK) - Our Poppet (IRE) (Warning (UK))
trained by andrew haynes is making her debut and is currently 40/1.she is related to POPPETS SWEET LOVE (also trained by haynes )and if she is as good as poppets sweet love she will be worth an each way bet and will be worth following.

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

i will be backing the italian horse: Cima De Triomphe
to take on English derby hero sea the stars.

Cima De Triomphe is currently 10/1 with most bookies The four-year-old beat Breeders' Cup Turf hero Conduit by a nose on only his second start for luca cumani in the Brigadier Gerard Stakes but reopposes on 7lb worse terms.
The colt made his debut for Cumani when closing into sixth behind Royal Ascot winner Vision D'Etat in the Prix Ganay. Cima De Triomphe had been trained in Italy as a two and three-year-old.

form: the horse has won 1 from 1 since coming too the uk.

so i see hes the one too back for value

unfortunatley the horse only managed 4th

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

tuesday 07 july 2009
LUCKY 15
afternoon:
14.15 Young Firth UNPLACED

13.45 Ivory Jaz UNPLACED

15.00 Step At A Time UNPLACED

16.30 Mark of Meydan UNPLACED

evening:
19.20 uttox: glimmer of light (dropping back in distance after pulling up in a 2m 110 yds conditionals race at newton abbot this time partnered by the talented nick scholfield)
19.50 uttox: any given day (undefeated,2/2.won its last race by 7 lengths should go in again of donald mccain)
20.50 uttox: willys way (has finished 3rd twice this season has also won at uttox in the past and today has the capable dominic elsworth on board).
21.20 uttox: LILAC (main bet ill be doing today as ive been waiting for this 10 yr old mare to run again as ive been following her for ages and expect her too win very soon form:64/51-42. she finished 2nd @ newbury to share my dream 19 days ago.

i will be doing a 25p each way lucky 15 = 7.50

and 25 pounds each way on lilac
and 10 pounds each way on willies way

**Danril** · 6th July 2009

Do you tend to do quite well on the horses then, waterboard?

You certainly seem to know your stuff!

**waard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

did you see they had the police called friday at salisury over in the premier area a bit of bother i think

I was in the premier enclosure friday night but didnt see any trouble,i cant recall ever seeing any trouble at salisbury.

I will keep an eye on Haynes runners over the coming days mate.

**waard** · 6th July 2009

I have had a silly little Â£2ew accumulator tonight at Windsor,here are my selections:

7.00: Super Fourteen
7.30: Rocker
8.00: State Banquet
8.30: Insolence

Like yourself waterboard following certain horses like Canadian Danehill,i also have soft spots for certain horses even if they are bloody useless i still have to back them!

1 of my old favourites is going in the 6.00 at Windsor tonight by the name of 'Golden Dixie'.

This old nag is well passed his sell by date but like a loyal fool i always back the fucker!!

He won his first race in nearly 2 years the other week in a stiff 6 furlongs contest at Chepstow.I've had a risky little Â£5 on him again tonight & hopefully he can do the business!!

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

i follow horses such as
dippy duck
golden duck
lucky duck (retired) fantastic little horse always jumped right but still managed to win
jeremy cuddle duck (died)
watermouse
dormouse
black mouse
young tot
jelly tot

my fav horse i used too follow for fun was parisienne gale trained by r ford now retired.

funny thing about lucky duck i was looking to see once when he was runing next after he had won for me and saw that it said he had died the funny thing is he raced another 3 or times after the date given

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waard

Originally Posted by waterboard

did you see they had the police called friday at salisury over in the premier area a bit of bother i think

I was in the premier enclosure friday night but didnt see any trouble,i cant recall ever seeing any trouble at salisbury.

I will keep an eye on Haynes runners over the coming days mate.

didnt you here them say over the tannoy the police had been called.i dont know what it was about

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by Danril

Do you tend to do quite well on the horses then, waterboard?

You certainly seem to know your stuff!

i tend too do ok majority of the time i at least break even at the end of the week but thats when its been a poor week

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

[quote="waard"]I have had a silly little Â£2ew accumulator tonight at Windsor,here are my selections:

7.00: Super Fourteen
7.30: Rocker
8.00: State Banquet
8.30: Insolence
quote]

i prefer:
7.00: diamond twister ( beaten by 1 length by carlitos spirt last time out)
7.30 lochstar ( out of the legend LOCHSONG finished 4th last and will win soon)
8.00 traphalger (won by 1 and quarter lengths last time could be more to offer)
8.30 poppets lovin ( unraced)

so we will see who hits the most

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

GOLDEN DIXIE my girlfriend follows that horse as well funny enough

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

mon 6 july 2007.aftreroon selections

caribbean coral 15.30 brighton (tipped this by our friend the head stable lad for haynes big run expected)
hand painted 17.00 brighton (turned out quickly after a good 2nd on saturday)
argentine 15.45 musselburgh (came in first for me last time out should go in again)
goose green 16.30 brighton ( should run well in the hands of "the dazzler")

25p ew lucky 15 =7.50

results for this bet

hand painted - non runner
argentine - unplaced mid-division, weakened over 1f out

goose green - 1st 4/1

caribbean coral - non runner

returns approx = 10.00 so a little profit enough to stakes tonights

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

VIDEO OF WHAT I THINK IS A PERFECT HORSE:
SECRETARIAT
The Triple Crown WINNER

The Kentucky Derby
Despite the loss in the Wood Memorial, Churchill Downs bettors made Secretariat the 3-2 favorite over Sham in the 1973 Kentucky Derby. Secretariat broke last but gradually moved up on the field in the backstretch, then overtook his rival Sham at the top of the stretch, pulling away to win the Derby by 2 1/2 lengths. Our Native finished in third place.

On his way to a still-standing track record (1:59 2/5), he ran each quarter-mile segment faster than the one before it. The successive quarter-mile times were: 25 1/5, 24, 23 4/5, 23 2/5, and 23. This means he was still accelerating as of the final quarter-mile of the race. It would be 28 years before any other horse would win the Derby in less than 2 minutes (Monarchos in 2001).

The Preakness Stakes
In the Preakness Stakes, Secretariat broke last but then made a huge, last-to-first move on the first turn. After reaching the lead with 5 1/2 furlongs to go, Secretariat was never challenged and won by 2Â½ lengths, again with Sham finishing second and Our Native third.

The time of the race was controversial. The infield teletimer displayed a time of 1:55. The track's electronic timer had malfunctioned because of damage caused by members of the crowd crossing the track to reach the infield. The Pimlico Race Course clocker, E.T. McLean Jr., announced a hand time of 1:54 2/5. However, two Daily Racing Form clockers claimed the time was 1:53 2/5 which would have broken the track record (1:54 by CaÃ±onero II). Tapes of Secretariat and CaÃ±onero II were played side by side by CBS and Secretariat got to the finish line first on tape, though this is not a reliable method of timing a horse race. The Maryland Jockey Club, which managed the Pimlico racetrack and is responsible for maintaining Preakness records, discarded both the electronic and Daily Racing Form times and recognized 1:54 2/5 as the official time. However, the Daily Racing Form, for the first time in history, printed its own clocking of 1:53 2/5 next to the official time in the chart of the race.

Subsequently, Tank's Prospect (1985), Louis Quatorze (1996), and Curlin (2007) have all run 1:53 2/5, equaling the time attributed to Secretariat by the Daily Racing Form. Farma Way won the 1991 Pimlico Special in 1:52 2/5, setting the current track record.

As Secretariat prepared for the Belmont Stakes, he appeared on the covers of three national magazines, Time Magazine, Newsweek, and Sports Illustrated. He had become a national celebrity.

The Belmont Stakes
Only four horses joined Secretariat for the June 9, 1973, running of the Belmont Stakes, including Sham, who had finished second in both the Derby and Preakness, along with three other horses thought to have little chance by the bettors, Twice A Prince, My Gallant, and Private Smiles. With so few horses in the race, and with Secretariat expected to win, no "show" bets were taken. Secretariat was sent off as a 1-10 favorite to win as a $2.20 payout on a $2 ticket and would pay at 20 cents more - $2.40 - to place[1]. Before a crowd of 67,605, Secretariat and Sham set a fast early pace, opening ten lengths on the rest of the field. After the 6 furlong mark, Sham began to tire, ultimately finishing last. Secretariat astonished spectators by continuing on the fast pace and opening up a larger and larger margin on the field. In the stretch, Secretariat opened a 1/16 mile lead on the rest of the field. At the finish, he won by 31 lengths (breaking the margin-of-victory record set by Triple Crown winner Count Fleet, who won by 25 lengths) and ran the fastest 1Â½ miles on dirt in history, 2:24 flat, which broke the stakes record by more than 2 seconds. This works out to a speed of 37.5 mph for his entire performance. Secretariat's world record still stands, and in fact, no other horse has ever broken 2:25 for 1Â½ miles on dirt. If the Beyer Speed Figure calculation had been developed during that time, Andrew Beyer calculated that Secretariat would have earned a figure of 139, one of the highest figures he has ever assigned. [2] Bettors holding 5,617 winning parimutuel tickets on Secretariat never redeemed them, presumably keeping them as souvenirs (and they only paid $2.20 on a $2 bet).

Secretariat became the first Triple Crown winner in 25 years and the 9th in history.

[video:11vx5ild]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu5_nuIEgkw[/video:11vx5ild]

**waard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

GOLDEN DIXIE my girlfriend follows that horse as well funny enough

Yeah he's bloody useless just cost me another fiver!!

**waard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

VIDEO OF WHAT I THINK IS A PERFECT HORSE:
SECRETARIAT
The Triple Crown WINNER

The Kentucky Derby
Despite the loss in the Wood Memorial, Churchill Downs bettors made Secretariat the 3-2 favorite over Sham in the 1973 Kentucky Derby. Secretariat broke last but gradually moved up on the field in the backstretch, then overtook his rival Sham at the top of the stretch, pulling away to win the Derby by 2 1/2 lengths. Our Native finished in third place.

On his way to a still-standing track record (1:59 2/5), he ran each quarter-mile segment faster than the one before it. The successive quarter-mile times were: 25 1/5, 24, 23 4/5, 23 2/5, and 23. This means he was still accelerating as of the final quarter-mile of the race. It would be 28 years before any other horse would win the Derby in less than 2 minutes (Monarchos in 2001).

The Preakness Stakes
In the Preakness Stakes, Secretariat broke last but then made a huge, last-to-first move on the first turn. After reaching the lead with 5 1/2 furlongs to go, Secretariat was never challenged and won by 2Â½ lengths, again with Sham finishing second and Our Native third.

The time of the race was controversial. The infield teletimer displayed a time of 1:55. The track's electronic timer had malfunctioned because of damage caused by members of the crowd crossing the track to reach the infield. The Pimlico Race Course clocker, E.T. McLean Jr., announced a hand time of 1:54 2/5. However, two Daily Racing Form clockers claimed the time was 1:53 2/5 which would have broken the track record (1:54 by CaÃ±onero II). Tapes of Secretariat and CaÃ±onero II were played side by side by CBS and Secretariat got to the finish line first on tape, though this is not a reliable method of timing a horse race. The Maryland Jockey Club, which managed the Pimlico racetrack and is responsible for maintaining Preakness records, discarded both the electronic and Daily Racing Form times and recognized 1:54 2/5 as the official time. However, the Daily Racing Form, for the first time in history, printed its own clocking of 1:53 2/5 next to the official time in the chart of the race.

Subsequently, Tank's Prospect (1985), Louis Quatorze (1996), and Curlin (2007) have all run 1:53 2/5, equaling the time attributed to Secretariat by the Daily Racing Form. Farma Way won the 1991 Pimlico Special in 1:52 2/5, setting the current track record.

As Secretariat prepared for the Belmont Stakes, he appeared on the covers of three national magazines, Time Magazine, Newsweek, and Sports Illustrated. He had become a national celebrity.

The Belmont Stakes
Only four horses joined Secretariat for the June 9, 1973, running of the Belmont Stakes, including Sham, who had finished second in both the Derby and Preakness, along with three other horses thought to have little chance by the bettors, Twice A Prince, My Gallant, and Private Smiles. With so few horses in the race, and with Secretariat expected to win, no "show" bets were taken. Secretariat was sent off as a 1-10 favorite to win as a $2.20 payout on a $2 ticket and would pay at 20 cents more - $2.40 - to place[1]. Before a crowd of 67,605, Secretariat and Sham set a fast early pace, opening ten lengths on the rest of the field. After the 6 furlong mark, Sham began to tire, ultimately finishing last. Secretariat astonished spectators by continuing on the fast pace and opening up a larger and larger margin on the field. In the stretch, Secretariat opened a 1/16 mile lead on the rest of the field. At the finish, he won by 31 lengths (breaking the margin-of-victory record set by Triple Crown winner Count Fleet, who won by 25 lengths) and ran the fastest 1Â½ miles on dirt in history, 2:24 flat, which broke the stakes record by more than 2 seconds. This works out to a speed of 37.5 mph for his entire performance. Secretariat's world record still stands, and in fact, no other horse has ever broken 2:25 for 1Â½ miles on dirt. If the Beyer Speed Figure calculation had been developed during that time, Andrew Beyer calculated that Secretariat would have earned a figure of 139, one of the highest figures he has ever assigned. [2] Bettors holding 5,617 winning parimutuel tickets on Secretariat never redeemed them, presumably keeping them as souvenirs (and they only paid $2.20 on a $2 bet).

Secretariat became the first Triple Crown winner in 25 years and the 9th in history.

[video:3gp4y1iu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu5_nuIEgkw[/video:3gp4y1iu]

Secretariat in the Belmont is one of the most impressive performances ever seen by a racehorse.

**waard** · 6th July 2009

This also has to be one of the most amazing performances ever.

Arazi - Breeders Cup Juvenile

[video:2p90f9pm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMQUzR7H_A[/video:2p90f9pm]

**waard** · 6th July 2009

And my favourite filly of all time Miesque.

Amazing turn of foot!

Miesque - Breeders Cup Mile [1987]
[video:37ves5mr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMb5776H2aA[/video:37ves5mr]

Miesque - Breeders Cup Mile [1988]
[video:37ves5mr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4B-pQMDEzw[/video:37ves5mr]

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

what about...........................

[video:ywayatl3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6RP_EsMMU[/video:ywayatl3]
[video:ywayatl3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td5YxLIaxqs[/video:ywayatl3]

just think what could have been

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

the greatest match race ever.................
[video:3qdp08cq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVT2MPNCqgM[/video:3qdp08cq]

**waard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

Originally Posted by waard

I have had a silly little Â£2ew accumulator tonight at Windsor,here are my selections:

7.00: Super Fourteen 3rd 13/2
7.30: Rocker unplaced4th

8.00: State Banquet 3rd 7/4
8.30: Insolence 3rd 7/4
quote]

i prefer:
7.00: diamond twister ( beaten by 1 length by carlitos spirt last time out) unplaced
7.30 lochstar ( out of the legend LOCHSONG finished 4th last and will win soon) unplaced
8.00 traphalger (won by 1 and quarter lengths last time could be more to offer) unplaced
8.30 poppets lovin ( unraced) 2nd 50/1

so we will see who hits the most

Ok,although i had more placed horses your 50/1 shot

wins the day!!

I will be having a lookout for Haynes runners in the next couple of days & if you hear anything think of me!!

Was you on each way tonight?

**waterboard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

to night @ windsor in the 20.30 POPPETS LOVIN :3-y-o bay filly Lomitas (UK) - Our Poppet (IRE) (Warning (UK))
trained by andrew haynes is making her debut and is currently 40/1.she is related to POPPETS SWEET LOVE (also trained by haynes )and if she is as good as poppets sweet love she will be worth an each way bet and will be worth following.

YES 10 QUID CAME 2ND @ 50/1

**waard** · 6th July 2009

Originally Posted by waterboard

to night @ windsor in the 20.30 POPPETS LOVIN :3-y-o bay filly Lomitas (UK) - Our Poppet (IRE) (Warning (UK))
trained by andrew haynes is making her debut and is currently 40/1.she is related to POPPETS SWEET LOVE (also trained by haynes )and if she is as good as poppets sweet love she will be worth an each way bet and will be worth following.

YES 10 QUID CAME 2ND @ 50/1

Lovely mate it ran a blinder,unlucky not to win.